The Metal Family Tree

What genres to include?

MHDrunk	We must, obviously include the main ones. These are:   Traditional Metal Power Metal Speed Metal Thrash Metal Death Metal Black Metal Doom Metal Progressive Metal   We will include the 'expansions' (for lack of a better word) of these genres:   NWOBHM North American Power Metal European Power Metal Bay Area Thrash German Thrash General Thrash First wave/proto Death metal 'Straight up/old school' Death Metal Scandinavian Death Metal Florida Death Metal NY Death Metal Brutal Death Metal Slam Death Metal Technical Death Metal First wave/Proto Black Metal 'Straight up/oldschool' Black Metal Norwegian Black Metal Suicidal Black Metal NSBM (National Socialist Black Metal) Folk Black Metal Symphonic Black Metal War Metal/Australian War Metal Death/Doom Black/Doom Funeral Doom Traditional Doom [whatever Progressive subgenres there are] (I don't know Blackened Death Blackened Thrash Deathrash Pagan Metal Gothic Metal   and all of the cores. I know little about these genres, and so whoever chooses to do them can choose which to include and where to draw the line.   If it is necessary at any point to describe a non-metal genre, ie, if it heavily influences one that is metal, then we will. Otherwise, this should be limited to metal.   Please do not discuss in this thread the differences between genres. This thread is about discussing which to include.	We must, obviously include the main ones. These are:   Traditional Metal Power Metal Speed Metal Thrash Metal Death Metal Black Metal Doom Metal Progressive Metal   We will include the 'expansions' (for lack of a better word) of these genres:   NWOBHM North American Power Metal European Power Metal Bay Area Thrash German Thrash General Thrash First wave/proto Death metal 'Straight up/old school' Death Metal Scandinavian Death Metal Florida Death Metal NY Death Metal Brutal Death Metal Slam Death Metal Technical Death Metal First wave/Proto Black Metal 'Straight up/oldschool' Black Metal Norwegian Black Metal Suicidal Black Metal NSBM (National Socialist Black Metal) Folk Black Metal Symphonic Black Metal War Metal/Australian War Metal Death/Doom Black/Doom Funeral Doom Traditional Doom [whatever Progressive subgenres there are] (I don't know Blackened Death Blackened Thrash Deathrash Pagan Metal Gothic Metal   and all of the cores. I know little about these genres, and so whoever chooses to do them can choose which to include and where to draw the line.   If it is necessary at any point to describe a non-metal genre, ie, if it heavily influences one that is metal, then we will. Otherwise, this should be limited to metal.   Please do not discuss in this thread the differences between genres. This thread is about discussing which to include.
	Posted: Apr 23, 2008 2:56 AM - Quote - Report!
Internal Chaos	I'll be taking core, thank you. And all I will be saying about Hardcore is that it is combined with metal to form these subgenres, and I'll state that grind ultimately came from crust punk, but I won't delve too much into the hardcore/punk scene.	I'll be taking core, thank you. And all I will be saying about Hardcore is that it is combined with metal to form these subgenres, and I'll state that grind ultimately came from crust punk, but I won't delve too much into the hardcore/punk scene.
	Posted: Apr 23, 2008 2:58 AM - Quote - Report!
Scourge441	Add Folk Metal as a base genre.	Add Folk Metal as a base genre.
	Posted: Apr 23, 2008 3:04 AM - Quote - Report!
Internal Chaos	So, for core it will be Grind -Grindcore -Noisegrind -Deathgrind -Pornogrind -Cybergrind -Nu-Grind/Scenegrind Mathcore -Hardcore influenced -Jazz influenced Deathcore Metalcore -Generic (NWOAHM) -Standouts (BTBAM etc) I dunno much about crossover thrash though, can anyone help out there?	So, for core it will be Grind -Grindcore -Noisegrind -Deathgrind -Pornogrind -Cybergrind -Nu-Grind/Scenegrind Mathcore -Hardcore influenced -Jazz influenced Deathcore Metalcore -Generic (NWOAHM) -Standouts (BTBAM etc) I dunno much about crossover thrash though, can anyone help out there?
	Posted: Apr 23, 2008 3:06 AM - Quote - Report!
NosferatuZodd09	hm, put all those under the "cores" and we'll links some of their genres from melodeath as well as well as from ol' grindcore and whatever else they originated from	hm, put all those under the "cores" and we'll links some of their genres from melodeath as well as well as from ol' grindcore and whatever else they originated from
	Posted: Apr 23, 2008 3:07 AM - Quote - Report!
The Evil Hat	i don't think that you can really do 'generic' versus 'standouts', as if this is opinion based it's utterly useless.	i don't think that you can really do 'generic' versus 'standouts', as if this is opinion based it's utterly useless.
	Posted: Apr 23, 2008 3:10 AM - Quote - Report!
MHDrunk	i could probably find out a fair bit about crossover thrash but again i don't know much about it. i know a few people on soulseek who could help me out though i don't know what you mean, evil hat, we haven't mentioned anything about 'generic' or 'standouts'. i will add folk as a base genre	i could probably find out a fair bit about crossover thrash but again i don't know much about it. i know a few people on soulseek who could help me out though i don't know what you mean, evil hat, we haven't mentioned anything about 'generic' or 'standouts'. i will add folk as a base genre
	Posted: Apr 23, 2008 3:15 AM - Quote - Report!
NosferatuZodd09	i was thinking the same thing, perhaps "elaborate" versus "simplistic"he was referring to Infernal's last post lol	i was thinking the same thing, perhaps "elaborate" versus "simplistic"he was referring to Infernal's last post lol
	Posted: Apr 23, 2008 3:16 AM - Quote - Report!
The Evil Hat	ah, i suppose that i should have quoted. i was referring to: Metalcore -Generic (NWOAHM) -Standouts (BTBAM etc)	ah, i suppose that i should have quoted. i was referring to: Metalcore -Generic (NWOAHM) -Standouts (BTBAM etc)
	Posted: Apr 23, 2008 3:16 AM - Quote - Report!
Sheepbane	are we doing offshoots of genere's such as pagan metal, viking metal, pirate metal? i know there is an endless supply of them but i think a few of the more important ones should be covered:Pagan Metal <--- by far	are we doing offshoots of genere's such as pagan metal, viking metal, pirate metal? i know there is an endless supply of them but i think a few of the more important ones should be covered:Pagan Metal <--- by far
	Posted: Apr 23, 2008 3:19 AM - Quote - Report!
MHDrunk	well, if he means generic and stand-out in style (objective) as oppose to quality (subjective) then that is fine. of course, what is generic and stand-out is open to discussion	well, if he means generic and stand-out in style (objective) as oppose to quality (subjective) then that is fine. of course, what is generic and stand-out is open to discussion
	Posted: Apr 23, 2008 3:21 AM - Quote - Report!
The Evil Hat	MHDrunk wrote on Apr 22nd, 2008 at 10:21pm : well, if he means generic and stand-out in style (objective) as oppose to quality (subjective) then that is fine. of course, what is generic and stand-out is open to discussion if so, it should be labeled as Progressive or something, cause standout sounds opinion based and a family tree based on what it's makers think is good or not is pointless.	MHDrunk wrote on Apr 22nd, 2008 at 10:21pm : well, if he means generic and stand-out in style (objective) as oppose to quality (subjective) then that is fine. of course, what is generic and stand-out is open to discussion if so, it should be labeled as Progressive or something, cause standout sounds opinion based and a family tree based on what it's makers think is good or not is pointless.
	Posted: Apr 23, 2008 3:22 AM - Quote - Report!
NosferatuZodd09	NosferatuZodd09 wrote on Apr 22nd, 2008 at 10:16pm : i was thinking the same thing, perhaps "elaborate" versus "simplistic"he was referring to Infernal's last post lol and so hence, elaborate and simplistic... uh offshoots are just lyrically themed crap like pirate pagan viking and what not, yet again, those "people" werent really alive to mess with electric guitars, unless they can actually get backing that their note patterns or something were actually used by people of said centuries then sure, but i dont think any of them can and so hence, they're just on anormal genre with silly lyrical themes obviously I said I'd eliminate bias from my part of the tree -melodeath- so expect nothingless than it being unbiased	NosferatuZodd09 wrote on Apr 22nd, 2008 at 10:16pm : i was thinking the same thing, perhaps "elaborate" versus "simplistic"he was referring to Infernal's last post lol and so hence, elaborate and simplistic... uh offshoots are just lyrically themed crap like pirate pagan viking and what not, yet again, those "people" werent really alive to mess with electric guitars, unless they can actually get backing that their note patterns or something were actually used by people of said centuries then sure, but i dont think any of them can and so hence, they're just on anormal genre with silly lyrical themes obviously I said I'd eliminate bias from my part of the tree -melodeath- so expect nothingless than it being unbiased
	Posted: Apr 23, 2008 3:49 AM - Quote - Report!
Reject_666_6	Suicide Black MetalAnd I have to point out that you forgot about Gothic Metal, a pretty important genre.	Suicide Black MetalAnd I have to point out that you forgot about Gothic Metal, a pretty important genre.
	Posted: Apr 23, 2008 3:53 AM - Quote - Report!
The Evil Hat	suicidal black metal is a real genre, although it should prolly be called Depressive Black Metal instead on the tree as i've heard that more and it's more enompassing.	suicidal black metal is a real genre, although it should prolly be called Depressive Black Metal instead on the tree as i've heard that more and it's more enompassing.
	Posted: Apr 23, 2008 3:58 AM - Quote - Report!
MHDrunk	yea, evil hat is right. pagan metal can fall under folk metal and pagan black metal can be mentioned in passing in the black metal and NSBM sections and we will include gothic metal	yea, evil hat is right. pagan metal can fall under folk metal and pagan black metal can be mentioned in passing in the black metal and NSBM sections and we will include gothic metal
	Posted: Apr 23, 2008 6:50 AM - Quote - Report!
Internal Chaos	I'll clear up my post. I guess we'll have the NWOAHM and then the exceptions, the bands that borderline metal and metalcore, and the bands that started the phase.	I'll clear up my post. I guess we'll have the NWOAHM and then the exceptions, the bands that borderline metal and metalcore, and the bands that started the phase.
	Posted: Apr 23, 2008 10:42 AM - Quote - Report!